Mach1 Driver
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Is this one of those games where you have to count- I count 6 people 
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Something that just bugs me.
- Thread starter GypsyR
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Only partially agree with you about age and change. Not all change is good. Not today not 20 years ago. The real issue I see today is change happens so much faster. Technology keeps advancing at exponential rates. As tech changes so does everything else.
I don't hate change. I hate bad and/or stupid changes. The younger you are the easier it is to accept change because you yourself are still changing and adaptation is easy when you are not already established in certain norms. When your routines are altered and your practices made to adjust because of changes that many times are random or unnecessary it causes you to have to adjust which could have expense of effort or money or both. That's what older people don't like. When other people bring about the need for them (me) to have to change what already meets my needs.
I didn't say all change was good but...your statement could well have come from 150 years ago as well as today. Or even earlier in history.
"Dang those kids playing with that thing they call a wheel. What's wrong with dragging things around? We've done it for many many moons."
"Dang those kids playing with that thing they call a wheel. What's wrong with dragging things around? We've done it for many many moons."
I moved far away from other humans so I don’t have any external peeves. I could go on about my gripes about myself, but since I have you guys around for that, it’s not necessary for me to talk.
GypsyR
just some guy
Change? Change rarely bothers me. Sometimes I need it proven that it's for the better...but, for the most part. I do however wish the engineers in Detroit whose job seems to be to re-re-re-re-invent electrical connectors could turn their attention elsewhere for a bit though.
Sandwiches bother me though. OK, the dumbheads who make them. I call out like every Subway I've ever been to. All of them.
You guys ever eat salad? Tossed, house, side, whatever. At least every once in a while with a steak or something, right? OK. When you do you probably get some ranch, 1000 Island, bleu cheese, etc dressing, right. Do you ever ask for yellow mustard to be slathered all over your salad? Of course you don't, because you're not insane. Yeah. Go to a Subway franchise and order a sandwich. Something with ham. Ham and mustard go together like ice cream and cones, right? So the mustard is at the other end of the preparation line from the meat and bread. So they are going to pile your cheese, lettuce, tomato, etc all on top of your chosen meat and then if you want mustard they gorp it on right on top of the lettuce and tomato. It's just wrong. They'd have to fire me if I made sandwiches there. Mustard goes between the meat and the bread. And not on top of the cheese either. Jeezus.
And don't get me started on lazy hamburger makers doing the exact same thing. Fuddruckers is a preferred hamburger stop. The burgers aren't great but at least I can put the condiments on in proper order. Now...steak. The only time I ask for steak sauce is that the steak is so bad I want to cover it with something so I can not waste what I paid for it. (Raised on beef. If it ain't burnt up, I'll almost always eat it.) Good and properly plated steak needs nothing but a knife and fork. Rumor has it there are places that make burgers like that, no extra condiments needed or wanted. Bobby Flay's? I've been working on that myself. My last batch of burgers was pretty darn good but I still wanted that little drizzle of mustard and ketchup on the bottom so I'm not there yet.
Sandwiches bother me though. OK, the dumbheads who make them. I call out like every Subway I've ever been to. All of them.
You guys ever eat salad? Tossed, house, side, whatever. At least every once in a while with a steak or something, right? OK. When you do you probably get some ranch, 1000 Island, bleu cheese, etc dressing, right. Do you ever ask for yellow mustard to be slathered all over your salad? Of course you don't, because you're not insane. Yeah. Go to a Subway franchise and order a sandwich. Something with ham. Ham and mustard go together like ice cream and cones, right? So the mustard is at the other end of the preparation line from the meat and bread. So they are going to pile your cheese, lettuce, tomato, etc all on top of your chosen meat and then if you want mustard they gorp it on right on top of the lettuce and tomato. It's just wrong. They'd have to fire me if I made sandwiches there. Mustard goes between the meat and the bread. And not on top of the cheese either. Jeezus.
And don't get me started on lazy hamburger makers doing the exact same thing. Fuddruckers is a preferred hamburger stop. The burgers aren't great but at least I can put the condiments on in proper order. Now...steak. The only time I ask for steak sauce is that the steak is so bad I want to cover it with something so I can not waste what I paid for it. (Raised on beef. If it ain't burnt up, I'll almost always eat it.) Good and properly plated steak needs nothing but a knife and fork. Rumor has it there are places that make burgers like that, no extra condiments needed or wanted. Bobby Flay's? I've been working on that myself. My last batch of burgers was pretty darn good but I still wanted that little drizzle of mustard and ketchup on the bottom so I'm not there yet.
Russstang
New Member
I don’t hate change so much, I hate poor change management. Late in my career I got pulled onto a change management team for a large acquisition. Our utility bought another making us one of the big dogs on the block. We were tasked with merging company policies, procedures, etc. Huge task, HUGE. It took years and we were able to cram two very different approaches to things like procedures, which were all based on Code of Federal Regulations and other guiding documents, but were incredibly different in interpretation and adaptation between hhe two companies. It was not the most memorable 2 years I’ve had for sure. What I deemed as a big failure by senior management was the effect it had on people and morale. We’re talking a Fortune 150 company with really smart people and I feel this was completely missed. The fallout is still going on as I hear it and I’ve been out of there 6 years now.
As long as you have people, those things I’m not overly fond of in general, you’ll have people problems. Maybe I’ll get along better with AI than I first thought….
As long as you have people, those things I’m not overly fond of in general, you’ll have people problems. Maybe I’ll get along better with AI than I first thought….
Now you guys are completely right about correct change. They do reinvent the wheel constantly. Gives them purpose. And income.
Here's a change I hate and don't think is a get off my lawn thing. The industry shift to complete digital format for music. I've been here long enough to experience vinyl, 8-track, cassette tape, CD and now digital. Digital has even gone from buying individual tracks to now subscription services where you don't even have the files stored on something you own and possess. Explain to me how that is an advancement. I may be old school but when I hand over my money I like to get something I can physically hold in my hand in return.
This same concept is being pushed in the automotive market now. Car companies trying to put what used to be over-priced options into a subscription service...for features built into your car! BMW famously introduced subscription service to operate the heating device in its seats. Nothing new about the car except that instead of just pushing a button to turn on the ass warmers you first have to pay a monthly fee before that button will function. Sure. I'll sign up for that.
This same concept is being pushed in the automotive market now. Car companies trying to put what used to be over-priced options into a subscription service...for features built into your car! BMW famously introduced subscription service to operate the heating device in its seats. Nothing new about the car except that instead of just pushing a button to turn on the ass warmers you first have to pay a monthly fee before that button will function. Sure. I'll sign up for that.
Oh I agree on NOT buying into all that.
But now think of it as a capitalist. Someone comes up with an idea to save building costs AND get more profit. They build ALL the cars not just select ones but all, saves on install costs and install time, with all the options needed since they are controlled by software. And since we control updates of that software they can also turn such software on and off. Let's charge for certain software usage. Profit.
You may think that they should be damned for wanting a profit but its why most companies are in business.
Only way to stop this is if people buy the cars which don't require subscriptions. Go into a BMW dealer and ask if a subscription is needed for any accessories to work. Then state you will go elsewhere since other brands don't. If this is done and sales go down manufacturers will rethink the service. Of course I'm guessing that only luxury brands will do this since their clientele usually don't consider such extra costs at this price level.
I bet that the guy in Germany that thought of this was probably promoted and got a big raise in salary.
But now think of it as a capitalist. Someone comes up with an idea to save building costs AND get more profit. They build ALL the cars not just select ones but all, saves on install costs and install time, with all the options needed since they are controlled by software. And since we control updates of that software they can also turn such software on and off. Let's charge for certain software usage. Profit.
You may think that they should be damned for wanting a profit but its why most companies are in business.
Only way to stop this is if people buy the cars which don't require subscriptions. Go into a BMW dealer and ask if a subscription is needed for any accessories to work. Then state you will go elsewhere since other brands don't. If this is done and sales go down manufacturers will rethink the service. Of course I'm guessing that only luxury brands will do this since their clientele usually don't consider such extra costs at this price level.
I bet that the guy in Germany that thought of this was probably promoted and got a big raise in salary.
I think you'd be surprised just how much is already built into every car but not operational unless purchased. Or is easily and cheaply plugged into place if ordered for very little additional manufacturing cost.Oh I agree on NOT buying into all that.
But now think of it as a capitalist. Someone comes up with an idea to save building costs AND get more profit. They build ALL the cars not just select ones but all, saves on install costs and install time, with all the options needed since they are controlled by software. And since we control updates of that software they can also turn such software on and off. Let's charge for certain software usage. Profit.
You may think that they should be damned for wanting a profit but its why most companies are in business.
Only way to stop this is if people buy the cars which don't require subscriptions. Go into a BMW dealer and ask if a subscription is needed for any accessories to work. Then state you will go elsewhere since other brands don't. If this is done and sales go down manufacturers will rethink the service. Of course I'm guessing that only luxury brands will do this since their clientele usually don't consider such extra costs at this price level.
I bet that the guy in Germany that thought of this was probably promoted and got a big raise in salary.
The real savvy capitalist sees the course being taken by all the others that deviates from customer desires and makes the turn to meet that demand. Things also go deeper down the path until they finally go too far and are then forced to back-up. Have to feel this subscription shit has reached that point.
The average new car cost is now $50k. The average new car loan is for 69 months. Call it 6 years. Beyond insanity. The average person doesn't keep their car near that long. I doubt the average new car is built to be reliable that long either. People are signing up for cars that aren't worth the price, won't last the length of the loan and end up rolling negative equity into a subsequent uglier deal. Make any of that make sense.
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Agree totally. People now don't own a car. They make payments that never stop. Same with housing I'm guessing. Always kept my cars for minimum of 10 years. My new truck is 9 now.
Russstang
New Member
65 Mustang, 86 F150, 08 Tundra, 15 GTI, new car is a 23 Forester. I tend to hang on to things. Our 07 Outback had 285k miles on it before I gave it to my brother. He’s still driving it.
285K YIKES!
Mach1 Driver
Well-Known Member
I know a guy with a 68 Plymouth who has had it since new and claims he has over 1 million miles on it. It's still his daily driver, and of course, I had to nickname it Christine. He doesn't do any of his own maintenance work, but takes it to his favored mechanic regularly. I kid him that its not really the same car since he's replaced most of it. It's had 5 engines and 3 or 4 transmissions.
And then there is my 69 Mach1 that I've had since new, and is now 57 years old.
And then there is my 69 Mach1 that I've had since new, and is now 57 years old.
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I've kept the same woman since I met her in '86. Surprised she hasn't figured out the lock on the cage yet.
Russstang
New Member
Oddly enough my low mileage vehicles are in this order, 65 Mustang-0 miles ( there’s a story here), 23 Forester - 48k, 86 F150 - 138k, 08 Tundra 168k, 15 GTI - 178k.
F-150 is a 300 six so, you know it’s here after the apocalypse along with the cockroaches…