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Is this legal?

"tarafied1" said:
I have George Washington's axe that he used to cut down the Cherry tree. It's had five new handles and three new heads over the years but it was his axe!
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I've got the axe that mid used to open the barrels at the speak easys during prohibition. What do you think it's worth?
 
Reply from seller when I suggested this might be fraud.

"not as far as i know, the vin is stamped in the engine bay first of all, when you replace that panel due to rust what are you doing??? i bought a body from dynacorn it is considered a replacement body. what happens when you restore one of these how much original metal are you left with when you replace almost everything from the roof down.
so how is it fraud?? am i lying to you?? the bottom line i've owned this car 23 years i restored it, i'm just starting fresh i think it will be easier for what i want to do. what you do is up to you, i don't think anyone is watching that close there are no laws being broken the car is not stolen. "

As OJ convinced himself,"wasn't me".
 
"KBMWRS" said:
As I noted on another post, here's a note in Hemmings Muscle Machines about Barrett-Jackson in Scottsdale this winter:

"The top-earning muscle car (that wasn't sold for charity) was a 1969 Camaro ZL1 with an automatic transmission that changed hands for $451,000.

The car was drag-raced when new and restored to original condition more than 20 years ago while it was owned by Floyd Garrett, of the Floyd Garrett Muscle Car Museum. Due to the extensive modifications performed on the car for racing, it was re-bodied with another Camaro shell; the soft parts of the interior were replaced with a standard Camaro interior from a donor car; and the engine, apparently a casualty of racing, was replaced with a correct, though non-numbers-matching, replacement ZL-1 engine"

Now if the body was replaced, the engine was replaced and the interior was replaced what the HELLL made it so valuable as a historic race car? Fraid? Nah since they told you up front how dumb you are to bid this high. :shrug
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Sounds like a tribute car to me...
 
"KBMWRS" said:
Reply from seller when I suggested this might be fraud.

"not as far as i know, the vin is stamped in the engine bay first of all, when you replace that panel due to rust what are you doing??? i bought a body from dynacorn it is considered a replacement body. what happens when you restore one of these how much original metal are you left with when you replace almost everything from the roof down.
so how is it fraud?? am i lying to you?? the bottom line i've owned this car 23 years i restored it, i'm just starting fresh i think it will be easier for what i want to do. what you do is up to you, i don't think anyone is watching that close there are no laws being broken the car is not stolen. "

As OJ convinced himself,"wasn't me".
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maybe no laws are being broken but his answer does not sound like one that has been "researched" I just think it would be a can of worms
 
"KBMWRS" said:
Reply from seller when I suggested this might be fraud.

"not as far as i know, the vin is stamped in the engine bay first of all, when you replace that panel due to rust what are you doing??? i bought a body from dynacorn it is considered a replacement body. what happens when you restore one of these how much original metal are you left with when you replace almost everything from the roof down.
so how is it fraud?? am i lying to you?? the bottom line i've owned this car 23 years i restored it, i'm just starting fresh i think it will be easier for what i want to do. what you do is up to you, i don't think anyone is watching that close there are no laws being broken the car is not stolen. "

As OJ convinced himself,"wasn't me".
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Food for thought:

Did Ford build the Dynacorn body? No.

What legitimate purpose does the Seller have taking a Ford issued VIN and placing it on a car that he is building? None that I can think of.

What happens when you have two different people attempting to register two different cars with the same VIN? A $hitstorm down at DMV/CHP?

When a factory issued VIN is removed from one car and attached to another car by someone other than a licensed vehicle manufacturer, that is "tampering" under federal and state laws, so YES, the legality of this Seller's plan is a problem;

The Seller's quote: "Not as far as I know...." If there ever was a reply that engenders less confidence in the Seller's integrity let me know!
 
That's exactly what I was thinking..."Not as far as I know..." does not sound like he researched the legality of what he is doing. The car with the removed VIN should have to be destroyed (it would be a shame), if the new body is a "replacement" part. And like you said, there is no reason to use the VIN from Ford. He can get a state issued VIN.
Again, I am not against the whole idea but I think I would not have posted this for the whole world (DMV) to see what I was doing!!! And I would want to know I am not going to jail or pay a huge fine or lose the car(s). It might be legal in some states to do what he is doing but I would be sure before I posted it on eBay
 
My car was titled in NC until I moved to IL. When I returned to NC and tried to retitle it it had to be inspected before they would issue one to me. Due to the age they have to verify that it is the original car and not a replica using the same vin. The guy came to the house and took a bunch of pictures of the car including the vin #s. I would say its definitely not legal to do that here.
 
There was a case recently in Texas where some title scammers had a neat scam going. Texas has a mechanics lien law that allows a mechanic to record a lien on a vehicle with unpaid repairs. After the vehicle is left for 30 days, and with notice to the owner, it can be sold a public auction and a new clear title is issued. These guys were fixing Katrina cars with salvage titles, recording fake liens and selling the cars at auction (to themselves) with new, clean titles. History reports would show the re-title via sale and the prior salvage notation, but someone who did not check would get a flood totaled car with a clear title. They got 20 years.
 
The guy is crazy and anyone who pays for that car is asking for nothing but trouble. Even if bought at half his asking bid.
 
This scenario reinforces my thoughts that it Should be Illegal to sell "Removed" Vin Numbers, with a Title! Who's to say that a Person, couldn't purchase Vins to a rusted, or totaled hulk, for a few dollars, giving them the perfect cover to sell Stolen Rolling Shells on eBay, I'm not saying that's whats happening in this particular case, However, I feel Factory Numbers should remain with the Original Vehicle. Further, I understand the Arguments about these cars having some replacement Sheet Metal, and have one or two myself. But I assure you I have enough Photographic documentation to show my vehicles are repaired originals, and The parts that were replaced weren't resold. I think having a "Good Enough" Rust Free, Rolling Shell to sell, does not warrant a Complete Dynacorn Body for repair! IMHO that's what makes this case Vin Tampering, because he's trying to build a new car, and use another vehicles title, and numbers......
 
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